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		<title>Don&#8217;t ISP On My Leg &amp; Tell Me It&#8217;s Raining &#8211; Virgin on the Ridiculous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Davies</dc:creator>
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Okay, so this might border on being a rant, but it&#8217;s more like musings.  Late last night I noticed I couldn&#8217;t get any access to my site www.rogerdavies.eu or roger-davies.net.  But what I found puzzling was that other people kept telling me they could access my site fine.  So it was something [...]]]></description>
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<p style="margin-right:35px; margin-left:35px;">Okay, so this might border on being a rant, but it&#8217;s more like musings.  Late last night I noticed I couldn&#8217;t get any access to my site <a href="http://www.rogerdavies.eu" style="color:#ffffff">www.rogerdavies.eu</a> or <a href="http://www.roger-davies.net" style="color:#ffffff">roger-davies.net</a>.  But what I found puzzling was that other people kept telling me they could access my site fine.  So it was something about my connection to the site? </p>
<p style="margin-right:35px; margin-left:35px;">I contacted by my ISP (Virgin) &#038; hosting company both of whom told me it was nothing to do with them.  (Clearly it was something to do with ONE of them!)</p>
<p style="margin-right:35px; margin-left:35px;">I was getting frustrated.  Pinging the server just returned a <strong>timeout</strong> error.  Usually just a sign that no meaningful response came in any reasonable amount of time.  BUT, my friends were telling me they could access it fine.  Using a proxy I could access my own site.  &#8220;Curiouser and curiouser&#8221;, remarked Alice.  Sleuthing further, I reset my modem, hooked my computer directly into it (by-passing our LAN, router and any firewall complications) and tried doing a trace route, which reavealed something odd:</span></td>
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<pre id="line1">C:\Documents and Settings\Roger>tracert www.rogerdavies.eu

Tracing route to www.rogerdavies.eu [82.165.217.36]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 5 ms 7 ms 4 ms 10.92.156.1
2 6 ms 5 ms 6 ms bagu-t2cam1-a-v133.network.virginmedia.net [80.5.163.129]
3 6 ms 5 ms 19 ms bagu-t3core-1a-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [195.182.180.5]
4 5 ms 7 ms 11 ms man-bb-a-so-310-0.network.virginmedia.net [80.5.161.37]
5 13 ms 14 ms 11 ms gfd-bb-b-so-200-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.252.192.94]
6 11 ms 12 ms 14 ms gfd-bb-a-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.5]
7 12 ms 18 ms 12 ms gfd-bb-b-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.6]
8 12 ms 11 ms 15 ms gfd-bb-a-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.5]
9 12 ms 17 ms 13 ms gfd-bb-b-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.6]
10 12 ms 23 ms 13 ms gfd-bb-a-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.5]
11 17 ms 13 ms 11 ms gfd-bb-b-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.6]
12 13 ms 36 ms 13 ms gfd-bb-a-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.5]
13 15 ms 13 ms 37 ms gfd-bb-b-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.6]
14 14 ms 13 ms 14 ms gfd-bb-a-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.5]
15 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms gfd-bb-b-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.6]
16 12 ms 15 ms 11 ms gfd-bb-a-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.5]
17 14 ms 29 ms 14 ms gfd-bb-b-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.6]<span class="end-tag">.</span></pre>
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<p>It just went on like that.  At last!  I knew why it was timing out.  It seems the request had become stuck between two machines that were bouncing it back &#038; forth:</p>
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<pre id="line1">gfd-bb-a-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.5]
gfd-bb-b-ge-000-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.172.6]
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<p>I immediately called Virgin back with my findings (after getting past the &#8216;have you tried resetting your modem&#8217; firewall-of-words) gave them the IP addresses of the machines which seemed to be having fun playing ping-pong with my machines requests.  I also <a href="http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/80/33637210-virginmedia-sites-not-being-accessed-please.html">posted this on a forum</a>, and one kind Virgin employee responded <a href="http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34618035-post17.html">saying he would look into it tonight</a>.  I suspect I may not be the only one with this problem, and that others may experience random problems with specific sites that happen to route any packets through those two servers, but I wonder if it could take the ISP quite some time to spot that something was wrong?   <a href="http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34618248-post18.html">I&#8217;m told</a> this is known as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Routing_loop_problem">routing loop</a>, which may have arisen by a third sever (probably close to the two that have themselves in a loop) which &#8211; for whatever reason has gone down.  Long story, but fascinating.  </p>
<p>Well, let&#8217;s hope at least it has been noted.  For now I have no access to my site.  The only reason I&#8217;m able to post this blog is because I&#8217;m using one of the many good proxies <a href="http://www.hidemyass.com">hide my ass</a> to route the packets through a different machine which doesn&#8217;t seem to lie along the path of those two dodgy ones.  No, sadly, it will take more than a proxy to hide <b>my</b> ass.</p>
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